Nexteritis – Opposition to FcNext

Our text below is too long to post as a comment on the blog post titled “The freecycle controversy” at:
http://sunnydale47.livejournal.com/880220.html
… so instead we will only post there a link to THIS blog entry.

FcNext is not the answer to TFN trouble.

In it’s group home page description, FcNext (formerly FreecycleNext) calls itself “the next generation of freecycling” and says that they are about “the future of freecycling.”  Anyone examining their activity (they have a publicly accessible message archive) will find that it’s more about the past, about their hatred of The Freecycle Network, Inc. (TFN) and its founder and chief, Deron Beal, and about sniping and cultish rage against anyone who speaks seriously against FcNext hate-baiting practices, including slanderous character assassinations and other kinds of violations of the Yahoo! Groups Guidelines and Terms of Service (TOS).  Recently about half a dozen FcNexters were slapped with TOS violation notices by Yahoo! and Yahoo deleted a bunch of their posts because of it … most notably recent three-time-TOS-violator foul-mouthed money-grubbing ”Deacon of the Erisian Way“ Eric Burke, who can’t keep a civil tongue in his head.  (For a good laugh, take a look at his razmear.us Erisian Deacon web site, where, like other places you find him on the web, he’s begging for personal financial support, this time in, “Buy some cool Erisian Stuff and help me pay my bills, take a look at my shop for an assortment of Sacred Chao merchandise.”  There IS no such thing as cool Erisian stuff, because it’s an idiotic pseudo-philosophy.  But it’s not surprising that Deacon Burke, like other FcNexters, goes by a self-ordained spiritual title, such things being common among cultists.)

There is nothing new in the behavior of FcNext.  They’ve been doing it in multiple online venues for about four years, coalesced into FcNext as their favorite cult cave.

Exploring FcNext one will also find that it’s only a dozen or so vocal snipers doing most of the trash-talking in FcNext, sometimes up to about two dozen, yet they deign to represent themselves as speaking for the truth held by a majority that does not exist.  FcNext membership is a miniscule minority of worldwide (or even just U.S.) freecycling group moderators.  And it’s always the same intent and tone: taking down TFN  (as if there will ever be any chance of their ever accomplishing any bit of that).  If they were honest, they’d rename their group “Death to TFN,” which is all they are really about, under the cloaks and masks they put over that mission.

Realistically, FcNext has accomplished nothing to stop the hegemony of TFN in the freecycling world it created.  Now, FcNexters face Yahoo!’s active promotion of TFN’s freecycle groups, even to the extent of Yahoo!’s seeding free gifts into TFN groups for the purpose of recruiting new members … talk about consumerism … freecycling for dollars, really, in that Yahoo! is taking commercialization of freecycling to a new level it never knew before.  FcNext is absolutely helpless and hopeless in fighting that.  Not that they shouldn’t.  They simply cannot, because they don’t have the means or the minds for such an undertaking.  They have not a gram of the wherewithal needed to begin such a campaign.  All they can do is rant about it, and Yahoo! and TFN will laugh at them all the way to the bank.

I call FcNext the “Lost Generation of Freecycling.”  They are TFN rejects who can’t get over it and move on, like some of the best of former TFN activists did in the creation of ReUseItNetwork.org, the best real alternative to TFN in the U.S., aside from some completely independent groups and maybe RealCycle.co.uk in the U.K. , possibly FullCircles.org in Canada.

FcNext brags about being big on free speech and welcoming cogent expression of dissent, in response to their experience of being censored and squelched in the Freecycle ModSquad and OIDG groups when they objected to certain things about TFN corporate behavior.  But when someone comes along and offers any serious dissent to FcNext ways, or seriously opposes the behavior of a core FcNext insider or cult leader, after allowing their cult followers to harass and attack the dissenter on a personal level (blatantly ignoring the FcNext home page policy statement, “No personal attacks,” in lip-servicing hypocrisy to the extent of being slapped with Yahoo! TOS violations for it) with no cogent response to the actual content of the opposition’s writings, they then invoke censorship just like OIDG and MS, preventing the dissenter from answering the FcNext rabid wolf pack postings, and worse, with the hypocrisy of saying that they stand for freedom to speak in dissent.  So they have become the thing they hate in TFN’s OIDG and MS groups: using censorship (and worse, personal attacks) to shut down posting by people who raise objections to the group’s behavior, even from non-TFN-affiliated people who don’t like TFN any better than FcNexters do.

This is not a defense of TFN’s policies, practices or behaviors.  However, one must consider that as a corporate entity TFN has a duty to protect its proprietary interests and reputation from attacks from its own insiders.  What they are protecting may be corrupt in some ways (and, in at least the constitution of its “not-for-profit” board of directors built on cronyism and nepotism, it is corrupt), but no corporation is going to sit still for its own staff, volunteers, and members ripping it apart from the inside, corrupt or not.

FcNext, on the other hand, has no such proprietary duty.  On the contrary, they claim (deceptively and hypocritically) to be all about free speech and the right to dissent.  They lie in that.  I’ve caught Deron Beal in lies, too (most notably about the former freecyclefinder.org activity shut down indirectly because of Yahoo! declaring its behavior a TOS violation), but that does not justify or warrant deception, rampant hypocrisy, and cultic hate-baiting among Beal’s opponents.

Lately, FcNext moderators (chieftains among the hate-baiting cult) have gone so far as to squelch even their own loyal cultists from posting about writings of people taking a stand against FcNext outside of FcNext.  No surprise there, really.  This is the only answer they can offer to dissent against their ways; hiding from it like children holding hands over ears and yelling “La la la la la la la la la – I can’t hear you! – La la la la la la la!”  But they had not ears, hearts or minds to hear cogent criticism against their own corruption and moral hazard anyway.

In addition to this kind of folly, they actively support and praise the perpetuation of so-called alternative networks or directories of supposed freecycling groups.  The two most popular ones among FcNexters are Eric Burke’s freesharing.org and FcNext moderator “Pastor” (a.k.a.: PK) Ken Hedden’s SharingIsGiving.org (SIG).  BOTH are loaded with garbage “freecycling group” links (and they don’t even bother to try to deny it, knowing they have no defense to offer for it).  Freesharing.org directory links are at least 60% garbage, proved through documented research published at:
http://nexteritis.wordpress.com/freesharing-survey-march-2008/

Pastor, indeed; cult-style, that is.

Hedden fattens the SIG directory by going around the country via cyberspace from his desk in Schroon Lake, NY, creating zombie groups — groups that are dead or inactive and never were and never will be active (proved by the fact that many of them are now dead two and three years since he created them) — “groups” that he puts up apparently only to fatten his directory and increase his silly empire of links — all in the hypocritical and deceptive name of providing an alternative to TFN.  Three quarters of Hedden’s SIG-brand-name groups are zombies, never truly operational freecycling groups.  The rest are largely just duplicates of links from Burke’s
directory, proved 60% junk.  The true nature of the SIG “network” has been carefully researched and documented at:
http://nexteritis.wordpress.com/sig-survey-overview/

Freesharing and SIG are no alternative at all to TFN except in a deceptive, illegitimate, corrupt way.  This is “the future of freecycling” by FcNext standards.

If any person stumbling upon freesharing or SIG uses them to look for a local group to join, more likely than not they will not find a legitimate, viable, real freecycling group there, but they can find groups that promote buying and selling, the antithesis of freecycling, and they can find Eric Burke’s personal profit generating ads.

For several months, Burke used freesharing.org to promote his favorite partisan political campaign (Ron Paul) in addition to always using the site to raise a personal profit for himself (and for his partisan political cause during the also-ran campaign of Ron Paul).  I call freesharing.org “Freecycling for Dollars.”  He also refused to remove groups that asked to be removed from his directory of links for sites that his FAQ says is for “sites that wish to be listed,” a statement we expect him to eventually remove so that he can no longer be held accountable for it, just as he recently removed his “No Politics” rule for groups listed in his “directory.”

After being publicly exposed and condemned for using freesharing.org for partisan political activism on the backs of apolitical freecycling groups, he removed the freesharing FAQ policy statement about “no politics,” a policy almost universally accepted as standard throughout the freecycling world, but no longer in freesharing.org or in the conscience of vocal FcNexters who praise, support and defend Burke (thus we say “almost” universally accepted).  FcNextercultists will never stand on principle against one of their own core cult insiders.  The few wimpy mentions among them about defects in Burke’s behavior amount to nothing more than feigned shots at empty self-righteousness, painting pictures on their own mirrors to hide what they would otherwise see if viewed with open and honest eyes.

If they had any guts at all, those Nexters who recognize the errors in Burke’s ways would firmly and resolutely take a stand against them, and publicly divest themselves of involvement and support of freesharing.org unless and until he makes amends.  But in a cultish environment like FcNext, that would only earn them the ire of the dominant FcNextercult rabid wolf pack, where all thrive on mindless fear, not just of outsiders, but of themselves, having become what they most hate as a group and unable to see it, much less admit it or do anything about it.   Even the smarter ones among them like moderator (and former Deron Beal right-hand-woman) Nancy Castleman and FcNext founder Tim Oey won’t do it, probably because they know it would be the end of their idiot brainchild FcNext.

After waiting three and half months for Burke to live up to his promises to accommodate their requests to be removed from his directory, when a group undertook a membership letter-writing civil campaign to him about it, he responded to some of them with foul-mouthed (including the usual proverbial drunken sailor type expletives) abusive emails, and undertook a raging personal attack (calling it a declaration of “war”) on the group’s owner in FcNext posts (posts that were subsequently deleted by Yahoo! for TOS violations).  He accused the group’s members of sending him abusive emails, but when challenged on that lie, he never produced a copy of a single one.

Burke was also caught red-handed adding groups to his directory that never asked to be there, despite his site’s FAQ stated policy that the directory is for “sites that wish to be listed.”  Freesharing.org (not an org at all, but just the personal profiteering activity of Eric Burke) is more corrupt than the TFN he hates.

What did FcNexters have to say about this?  Most of them who said anything, especially the usually most vocal ones, defended Burke, and even praised his corrupt
behaviors.  They joined in the personal attacks against Burke’s opponents, without any cogent defense offering any reasoning for their hateful behavior.  They cheered him on and encouraged him to continue his foul-mouthed personal attacks and abuses, adding their own slanderous rhetoric to the fray, and rallied for Burke to continue his corrupt activity at freesharing.org.

FcNext, if it had any conscience as a group, or even if just one of its leading members had an active conscience, would take a stand against the kind of “future of freecycling” represented by Burke’s and Hedden’s garbage directories.  Instead, FcNexters defend their right to practice deception in the creation and publicizing of junk directory entries, politicizing of the freecycling movement, and profiteering on it.  This is the future of freecycling in the hands and small minds of leading, core FcNext cultists and their most vocal trash-talking blindly brainwashed minions energized by hatred.

For more about this, including carefully documented research into the true nature of freesharing.org and sharingisgiving.org (which always was a silly name), and for a cogently expressed dissenting perspective (something not allowed in FcNext) on the cultic mindset of FcNext, see the Nexteritis blog at:
http://nexteritis.wordpress.com

Nexteritis is NOT associated, affiliated, or allied with The Freecycle Network or any other freecycling network or directory service in any manner whatsoever.  The purpose of Nexteritis is to expose the corrupt nature of FcNext and its minions.

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Copyright 2008 by Nexteritis.  All rights reserved.  For permission to use, write to:

nexteritis-owner@yahoogroups.com

From:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nexteritis/message/6

— In nexteritis@yahoogroups.com, nexteritis <no_reply@…> wrote:

Posted by permission from:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dkchat/message/10

— In dkchat@yahoogroups.com, nexteritis <no_reply@> wrote:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcnext/message/24668

Judy thinks there’s something to report to Yahoo, but forgets the
snot standing in front of her mirror needs wiping.

Of course they will reject this post I just made in reply to her
idiocy …

— In fcnext@yahoogroups.com, Shadow Grafix <ruzich2@> wrote:
>
> You might try responding to him at Meg’s address as I’m pretty sure
> he’d get the message.

WHAT KIND OF CRAP IS THAT?

No, you’re not using me to harass someone else.  You won’t allow him
to post in his own defense when others lie about him, and falsely
accuse him.  You won’t allow others to post in his defense, either. 
Your OIDG censorship tactics are not going unnoticed, and are being
publicized worldwide.  Y’all learned well from your former TFN
masters.

Your favorite insiders are allowed to say whatever they want about
someone you’ve declared an enemy, but he’s not allowed to answer?

You’ve become worse than the things you hate in TFN.

Meg

— End forwarded message —

— End forwarded message —

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Posted here with permission of the author from:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dkchat/message/8
(some personal information redacted)
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— In dkchat@yahoogroups.com, dk.chat2 <no_reply@> wrote:

Response to Jamey (YID tresrottn) post in FcNext at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcnext/message/24662

FcNext Moderators: Jamey’s post is harassment.  Do the right thing
about that, or Yahoo will, just as they did with Burke’s harassment
posts here, and the YGG11 infringement ones.

cc: Off-list to Jamey, since FcNext mods are using OIDG censorship
tactics on people who dissent to the practices of Nexters, though I
think it would be the ethical thing for them to allow me to rebut the
erroneous and silly “information” in Jamey’s post.

Jamey,

Who told you I was “near death?”  That was a silly story made up by
Nexters who didn’t know what they were talking about.

But there have been times in the past when I was almost killed, and
recovered very quickly with proper medical attention.  Sometimes all
it takes is some oxygen or a single injection to keep a person from
dying (ask someone who has had a serious allergic reaction).  But I
don’t expect everyone to understand medical realities.

I’ve had three major surgeries in my life, and was up and walking
around the next day after all three and back at work within a week
each time, which always involved a lot more effort than operating a
home computer.  For two of those surgeries, I was back at work within
48 hours.

Do you have any idea of the average length of a hospital stay in the
U.S.?

Modern medical reality seems to have escaped you.

Anybody can legally privately forward a private email to others and
there’s nothing the original sender can do about it.  Posting it to a
public message board is another matter, as is stealing and reposting
a message from a restricted message archive (according to Yahoo).

There are no direct add members in my personal chat group.  Yahoo can
verify that for you when you file your false report of it.  No member
gets into my group automatically or by direct add.  In fact, they
don’t get in unless they sign an agreement with me, or I invite
them.  Just click join at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dkchat and
you can get a copy of the agreement for your edification.  There are
no members in that group who did not ask to be there and applied to
join by the normal Yahoo join procedure, plus the extra step of
signing the membership agreement.  Ask the FcNext members who have
already joined or applied to join (but you’ll have to ask them to
tell you who they are).

But your posting of a private, off-list email message to a public
message archive is certainly unethical.  No surprise from you there.

In addition to facts you’re ignorant of, and making up as you go,
legal and ethical reality seem to have escaped you.

So go ahead and report me to Yahoo every minute of every day for a
hundred years.  There’s nothing they can or will do about it, because
what you’re whining about is not happening, and never was.

But facts and truth never meant much to people like you.  It’s more
fun to make up nonsense, i.e., The Nextercult Way.

Oh, and even better than my IP address, which is on a node of
XXXXXXXXXX out of XXXXXXXXXXX:  just do a people search on
XXXXXXXXXX in XXXXXXXXXX, and you can get much more than an IP
address.  Easily get my home postal address and phone number.  (But
don’t abuse it if you know anything about the law.)  For a few bucks
you can get the names of my family members and all my past home
addresses, too.  So what?  Anybody could have done that kind of
search on me ten thousand times by now.

But try to spell the name right in your search, or you might harass
the wrong person.  Something else Nexters have a hard time doing …
spelling a simple six-letter common name.

My ISP isn’t going to entertain your whining without proof of
wrongdoing, which you can’t provide because there has not been any.
So waste your time filing complaints about things that did not
happen, and they’ll be happy to ignore you.

And consider this: filing false reports and threatening to do so is
harassment.  At least I think so, and Yahoo does, too, as I have seen
them prove.

XXXXXXXXXX

— End forwarded message —

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nexteritis/message/3

— In nexteritis@yahoogroups.com, nexteritis <no_reply@…> wrote:

Responding to Eric Burke’s post at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcnext/message/24528

Burke is the owner of
http://freesharing.org

Under their cult program of censorship FcNext mods rejected this post without explanation (Burke’s expletives modified):

[The following posted here by permission of the author.]
—–Original Message—–
From: Meg
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 9:51 AM
To: fcnext@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Personal Attacks – Get Real

I can sit still for abuse just so long.

Eric, I’m one of the cefgiving members you sent your foul-mouthed email to when I wrote politely and respectfully asking you to finally keep your promise (and to abide by your own website’s written policy) to remove the group from your sick website half full of garbage links (where you were also caught red-handed adding groups who never asked to be listed).

Dennis made a mistake asking you to list our group last summer.  He made amends for that mistake.  You obviously aren’t man enough to make amends for yours.  You need to be compelled by others, like a child.  But that’s the way of the world now … if you can get away with it, then it’s not wrong.  But it is wrong, even if “everybody does it.”

We waited patiently for three and a half months while you made excuses like a child.  Dennis never demanded immediate action and he never abused you in any way.  You, on the other hand, made excuses and lame rationalizations and reneged on your promises and your own website’s written policy.  Because you would not do what was right on your own initiative, when we were called upon to take action as a group, a couple dozen of us were more than happy to join the effort.  Your response was filthy foul-mouthed trash-talk in emails back to us, public harassment in this group (which got you slapped by Yahoo), and TOS violations which now have been slapped again by Yahoo.  Can’t take the slapping?  Stop the abusive behavior.

Maybe to you “getting real” (your revision to the subject line here) means posting more foul-mouthed insults and distortions of fact like your new post here.  Maybe that’s okay in your world.  Maybe you live in a ghetto and street-talk is all you know.  But in my world, for the past 76 years I’ve been treading earth and teaching adult school for 45 years, that’s uncivil behavior, and the moderators of this group should be ashamed of themselves for allowing it.  (I would toss you out of my group for it.)

I don’t belong to the school that says free speech means uncivil talk.  It demeans both speaker and hearer, and society in general, and this group.  You may have a right under law to your filthy mouth, but you shouldn’t be allowed to use it here, in a supposedly moderated group, one that purports to have a “no personal attacks” policy obviously not enforced (and I think foul language in a public forum is a TOS violation, too).

Ken makes the silly excuse that there are too many people unmoderated here to control it.  Nonsense.  I belong to groups with THOUSANDS of members and simple matters of civil decency are very well enforced.  Besides, most of the postings here come from only a couple dozen people, and the trash-tallkers are less than a dozen.  Is it so hard to control the posting activity of two or even three dozen people?  Nonsense, Ken.  Shame on you, calling yourself a pastor but not standing firmly and consistently against indecency in your own group every time it happens.

By the way, I won’t call you PK.  You’re just Ken.  In my church, pastor is a term of respect and endearment, and you’re not my pastor.  Dennis told me all about your past email and group involvement with him.  He’s not half as enamored of you as you say you are of him, knowing him so little as you do.

In my other groups they may get away with posting trash ONCE, being off moderation, but they won’t get a second chance, and their trash posts are deleted for breaking the group’s rules and common decency (and sometimes for TOS violation as harassment).

Don’t give me that nonsense about how much you believe in free speech.  I wasn’t born yesterday, and I’ve been involved with online groups since long before Yahoo was invented.  You can allow liberal use of CIVIL free speech without allowing UNCIVIL foul language and personal attacks, and TOS violations.  I belong to other groups where there’s abundant use of free speech on many topics (including politics and religion) but the mods don’t tolerate abusive speech and personal attacks.

> Let’s see, the US Government either reads or keyword flags
> every email and phone conversation on the planet,

Irrelevant, Eric.  YG has its own rules, and you and I signed an agreement to live by them (but you’ve already proved that you don’t believe in living up to your agreements, in freesharing.org and here).  One of those rules says you’re not allowed to steal stuff from a group and post it elsewhere.  Another one says you’re not allowed to harass people here or to post abusive things.  That’s what you did, on top of all your other offensive and neglectful, childish, trash-talking behavior, on which society always had its own rules that you plainly do not respect.

Yahoo enforced their TOS on you in THIS group in two ways:  they deleted a couple of of your harassment posts, and then they deleted all the posts where your stolen post from the cefgiving restricted archive appeared.

Don’t like Yahoo’s rules?  Don’t use their service.

I understand that those who top-posted their replies didn’t intend to go against the TOS, but the fact is they did, so Yahoo treated them the same.  Many people accidentally or unintentionally break rules.  Doesn’t mean they’re not accountable for it.  “Sorry, officer, I didn’t MEAN to run that stop sign.  I didn’t see it.”  Gets a ticket just the same.

Tim, it does not matter how long it was.  It was content taken from a restricted archive and reposted here.  That’s just simply a violation of YG Guideline 11, which Yahoo says is enforced under the TOS, so they enforced it.  Like it or not, it’s their rules, and we signed an agreement to live by their rules.

Debate the copyright law all you want, and maybe the law is wrong, but it is what it is.  Until you get Congress to change it, it’s the law.  And yes, different people, different copyright agents, different lawyers and even different judges will interpret and enforce the law in different ways.  You have every right (and a duty even) to press for your interpretation.

Meanwhile, we are subject to Yahoo’s interpretation, because they own this service, not us, and we agreed to follow their rules and their interpretations when using their service.  If you think Yahoo is wrong, then take it up with them, but trashing people here with filth like Eric’s and others is not a civil approach to one’s differences of opinion with Yahoo or the law, or the individuals here they disagree with.

Unlike Ken, who claims to “know” Dennis “for many years” … a lot of baloney — he “knows” him about as much as I know Thomas Jefferson — heck, Ken can’t even spell his name, this person alleging to know him so well, to know his “heart” for so “many” years … which is actually only email contact sporadically over a period of 42 months, according to Dennis, much of it uncomfortable and not so friendly email … I actually know him personally, in the flesh as a real neighbor and personal friend not just as an occasional email or online contact, and I live a stone’s throw from him.  I know him in a true personal relationship.  Ken has nothing of the sort with him.  Any statement by Ken otherwise is incorrect, according to Dennis, and only he would know who his real friends are, and how well they know him.

I know that when he filed his complaint about the stolen cefg post, he was annoyed that Yahoo didn’t provide a category on their form for simply “TOS violation” or “YG Guideline violation.”  So he picked the one closest from their silly short list of inadequate choices, I think it was something like “Inappropriate Content.”  Yahoo chose to refer the matter to their copyright agent who said that according to copyright law they would not follow through unless he provided a sworn statement of copyright infringement.  So he did that.  And it is copyright infringement.  Like it or not, that’s the law of this land.  You can fight it, and maybe you should, but that’s the law as Yahoo’s copyright agent understands it, and it’s also a TOS violation.  It’s a clear violation of YG Guideline 11, the original basis for the abuse report to Yahoo.  Yahoo chose to refer it to their copyright agent and refused to pursue it any other way.

OPINIONS about this obviously vary widely, but Yahoo obviously made clear their opinion, and they own this service and make the rules here, not you or me.

Those who repeated it in top-posted replies have no excuse.  It still violates YGG 11, and it’s still copyright infringement.  If I give you a photocopy of a poem that I did not write, and you make another photocopy and give it to somebody else, you infringed as much as I did.  Doesn’t matter how long it is or if it had a copyright notice on it.  The law grants copyright automatically to the author.  If you weren’t the author, you have a duty to get the author’s permission to reproduce and distribute.  Like or not, that’s the law.  (Yes it’s not always easily enforceable, and if somebody is really serious about protecting their copyright, they should apply a copyright notice and spend the thirty bucks or whatever it is these days to register it, and still they may have an expensive legal process to enforce an infringement claim.  But the law grants copyright automatically to the author without registration.)  Same thing with the repeated copies of that cefg post.  Each copy violated YGG 11 and copyright.  Don’t like the law?  Instead of whining about it here, write to your legislators, or write to Yahoo’s president with a convincing argument why they should change their application and interpretation of the law, or their TOS.  (But I understand it’s so much easier and for some people more fun to whine rather than pursue real civil action.)

Like most laws I think the copyright law is the way it is not because of the behaviors of civil, decent, honest people, but because of all the so-called adults walking around in adult bodies with adolescent or childish minds and because of morally corrupt people who don’t care about decency (but they declare war when someone offends THEM).

Actually the offense really did no particular harm to cefgiving, as the post was only information about how to contact Eric’s ISPs to report his foul-mouthed, abusive emails.  But Dennis was more concerned about the principle involved, that people in this group need to be held accountable for YGG and TOS violations (which I hear are common here) in the forms of harassment and reposting content from restricted group archives, among other abuses like foul language and personal attacks.

Now Freecycle can see that YGG 11 enforcement CAN be done when you post copies of OIDG and MS posts.  Yahoo apparently requires that it be done under copyright law instead of just YGG 11.  But the individual author of the stolen post must make a sworn statement to Yahoo that they did not authorize the copy.  And yeah, they have to be willing to identify themselves fully, with name, address and phone number.  That’s part of making a sworn statement under law in a civil society.

> and your getting your panties in a twist over pasting an
> email from one YGroup to another?

Yessir.  And so did Yahoo, when they deleted your violating posts and slapped you with a notice.  Maybe now that you have repeated your harassing, offensive behavior in this latest post, I hope you’ll get slapped with a second offense (oops … third offense) and lose your account and your groups.  I sure hope so, but Dennis won’t be able to file the abuse report this time.

Most people won’t follow-through on their commitments to the TOS (and to this group’s own “no personal attacks” so-called policy).  But I don’t mind stepping in to give you a bar of soap to wash your mouth, and maybe a talking-to your Mommy and Daddy needed to give you a long time ago about civil behavior, responsibility, decency and respect.

> Lets try and put this [expletive deleted] in perspective, ok.

Your perspective (and your language skill) is that of a street urchin, and similarly distorted.  And that’s not a personal attack on you.  No, it’s an accurate assessment of your obvious public and private behavior, from someone old enough to be your grandmother who would throw you out of her house for your foul mouth and would give you what-for about your unconscionable behavior regarding freesharing.org and some other things.

> I posted a forwarded email from his group that gave out my personal
> information (IP address, hosting company, etc)

That’s not your “personal information.”  It is information your ISP provided to us in your emails and group posting headers of your abusive, foul-mouthed messages, and for good reason, so that you could be tracked down and held accountable for your adolescent immoral behavior.

I see now on the headers of your latest post to this group that you’re posting by a different route to make it less easy to do that, but still does not hide you from abuse enforcement, and now everybody knows what a trash-mouth you are, and it is inexcusable, and you can still be held accountable.  I for one now yell FOUL and call you on this trash-talking adolescent behavior.  I’d say grow up boy, but it’s probably too late for you.  Your mold is cast.  I doubt you can break it.  But you can be held accountable by enforcement actions, as Yahoo has now proved twice on you, and I hope they kick you out for this third offense.

> as proof of the harassment that Denis was instigating on his
> group upon FreeSharing.org and myself.

It is not “harassment” for people to join together in a letter-writing campaign to get a vendor (in this case you, the vendor, with cefgiving, the client) to keep their promises and live up to their obligations after having neglected them so long, and having reneged on your repeated promises with childish excuses.  It is a civil way to get something done when so many prior polite and civil attempts in other ways had failed because of your childish obstinacy.  Plenty of companies have been compelled to change their behavior that way.  Freesharing.org (not really an org at all, but you call it one) is no special exception from that kind of civil action against its bad behavior and bad netizenship.

> The same person who forwarded me that email also sent a warning that
> Denis was planning on filing TOS violations against the folks on
> FCNext who also thought that Denis was acting like a little
> [expletive deleted].

This again shows that your idea of “getting real” has little to do with adult reality, and means only more character attacks and foul language and distortions of fact.  For people like you, that’s the only defense you can offer for your offensive behaviors.  But mature adults see right through it, and see you for what you are.

The truth is that at first he filed a harassment report against ONLY YOU ERIC because of your harassment postings here, which Yahoo apparently agreed was harassment.  The YGG 11 complaint about the copied cefg post came after that, when you started that business. And some cefgiving members who received your foul-mouthed abusive emails filed abuse reports with your ISP.  Apparently Yahoo agreed that your posts here were harassment, because they’re gone now.  Then they later deleted the cefg infringement posts, too.  Their house, their rules.

> Now we have another two letter name new poster defending
> Denis and again trying to stir the [expletive deleted] once again.

[see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcnext/message/24491 ... the post Burke refers to]
If calling for an end to personal attacks is “stirring the [expletive deleted],” then it needs to be stirred.  Having a better vocabulary, I would call it an appeal for civil decency and common sense.  But you obviously aren’t familiar with that, proved repeatedly in the past and you continue proving it in your latest post.  Not just a matter of my opinion, but a matter of your obvious public behavior (and what I know to be your private behavior, too, in your abusive email to me and other cefgiving members).

> Maybe someone should check
> the IPs cuz I’d bet their all the same person.

Doesn’t matter who they are.  They took a stand for decency, something you obviously object to, and despise, as do so many people who have no other grounds for defending their wrong attitudes and behaviors.  The more you say, the more obvious it becomes who and what you really are.  You are known by your deeds.

If any civil-tongued, decent, respectable people want to discuss any of this further, if there is anyone out there who supports civil behavior in groups and websites, I might be interested in knowing you and might welcome your contact off-list … if the mods approve this post.  As for those of you who obviously don’t believe in such things, I’m ashamed of you, and you should be too.

Get real, indeed.  I don’t think you have much grasp on what is real, on what really matters, Eric.  And they call Dennis “unbalanced.”  Ha.  But your imbalance probably is not mental, just moral, as your post makes so plainly clear to any observer old enough to read.

Meg

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They censor and block postings from people who dissent to their prevailing mode of cultish group-think. In doing this, they have become the thing they hate (mainly The Freecycle Network), only worse, because their hatred has infected their minds, making them increasingly irrational, and poisoned their hearts.

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